|
Post by dennisdart on Mar 28, 2021 23:51:25 GMT
Dennis, You are free to propose for Vote whatever you like . I believe you are missing the point of Nostalgia Super Stock , there is more to the spirit of the class than just Multiple Carbs . Don't confuse Modified Production ( which doesn't exist any more ) with NSS. This is why we only proposed the pilot program for F/X and faster indexes (9.00 to 9.50 ) . We can go into further detail at our first meeting in St. Louis. The support for what we are doing has been very very positive . Sounds awesome. Do I get any ladle award points? I might deserve it next year. LOL! We'll see everyone at the first race. Like I said before, it's not about the AFX. I love that idea. It's about the PILOT program itself. That should be brought before the whole group. We are a family, and we should approve adding any PILOT programs to our rules. Otherwise in the future, our leaders could lead us astray with detrimental PILOT programs.
|
|
|
Post by polarapirate on Mar 30, 2021 22:28:54 GMT
Can somebody out there tell me exactly what Super Stock is Victory trying to represent ? Are we trying to run cars as the factories built them to compete with each other in Super Stock or are we trying to copy NHRA Super Stock as it was run up until 1969. Huge difference between the two. GM quit building Super Stock cars in 1963, all GM brands. That left Ford vs Mopar, except for the guys like Arnie Beswick that would rather fight than switch. Lots of guys started racing Mopars after GM pulled it's sponsorship. Arlen Vanke was one.
|
|
|
Post by sportf on Mar 31, 2021 1:37:16 GMT
Having fun racing, that's what I see us about. Why would you do this if it aint fun, eh? Meet me in St. Louy!
|
|
|
Post by polarapirate on Mar 31, 2021 13:05:08 GMT
You are exactly right Tom, and I hope the Victory vs NMCA All Star race at Indy this Fall is more fun then last years.
|
|
|
Post by sportf on Mar 31, 2021 14:32:17 GMT
Well, we are certainly going to try. We (directors) screwed up on the rules/who can race with us last year, but we also learned from that. That is always a neat race as you have a chance to race 3 times, certainly 2 times, and it makes it worth the trip.
Looking forward to seeing the gang again, and that is about 5 weeks away, eh?
|
|
|
Post by dennisdart on Apr 1, 2021 3:48:42 GMT
Can somebody out there tell me exactly what Super Stock is Victory trying to represent ? Are we trying to run cars as the factories built them to compete with each other in Super Stock or are we trying to copy NHRA Super Stock as it was run up until 1969. Huge difference between the two. GM quit building Super Stock cars in 1963, all GM brands. That left Ford vs Mopar, except for the guys like Arnie Beswick that would rather fight than switch. Lots of guys started racing Mopars after GM pulled it's sponsorship. Arlen Vanke was one. Actually the real superstock wars were fought by the factories using all weapons in their arsenal up to 1969. In 1970 NHRA formed Pro Stock. The factory wars then moved to that battlefield. Up to 1969 the true superstock included pony cars (mustangs, camaros, barracudas, firebirds) which are basically defined as long hood short trunk cars. They also included compact cars of the day (darts, novas,etc.) and full body cars (Chargers, Roadrunners, Ford Torino, etc.) Most superstock cars were lettered with car names and sponsors also. We are representing a small portion of the superstock era by rules made up decades ago. It is definitely a lot of fun. See you all in St Louis!
|
|
|
Post by rumblefish on Apr 1, 2021 15:35:47 GMT
Nostalgia Super Stock was Originally set up to showcase the "Forgotten "Full size Big Block ( MUSCLE CARS ) cars from '59 to '67 , That's right '67 , that is not a typo. Any weekend bracket race saw pony cars , but the bigger cars were gone. The multiple carb rule was added to make the class stand out and be more unique . Some organizations Added '68 Hemi Darts and Barracuda's along with AMX's as these were Factory produced cars designed for Super Stock. ( SouthEast Gassers NSS class still has a '67 cut-off ) . Again, some organizations then allowed Wedge powered Darts and Barracuda's in because the bodies were the same. NSCA indexes stopped at 9.50. 9.50 was F/X , 9.75 was AA/NSS. '68 Hemi Darts and Barracuda's were required to run 9.75 or 9.50 indexes only. The 9.50 index allowed Altered wheel base, injected cars , hence, F/X. The vast majority of the founding members of Victory NSS came from NSCA and also ran in the Muscle Car Reunion Series with the same rules, so that's where the rules started except the altered wheel base / injected cars were written out of the rules as it was NSS only. So here we are today, an F/X class attempting to be added , and we thought, this would be a good time to expand on the 9.00 to 9.50 indexes by allowing a little more flexibility as there are only a few members cars that occasionally run the 9.50 index and essentially create a place for M/P cars ( which were also an offshoot of Super Stock while keeping NSS intact ie: Full size , Big Block, Multiple Carbs ) . Doing it as part of the F/X Exhibition roll -out to see the interest and then Vote on at the end of the year . The Cast Tunnel Ram for 9.50 to 9.00 cars was thought to be implemented due to the complaints of "No good manifolds Available to go faster ", well here you go, but, now run the number. Same thing with the Edelbrock /Carter vs. Holley discussion. Also open for Competition for the cars that would fall into the F/X category a place to race but, slow the cars down to 9.00- 9.50 as the F/X cars will be running in the 8's , and we don't need 8 second cars running down a 13 second car, that can get really ugly. I'm Absolutely positive that there are a few individuals who will take issue no matter what . If the rules are so bad, why did they join to begin with ? I received a few phone calls from members , and everyone of them thought this was a great idea and the proper way to do it once their questions were answered. There has to be a line drawn somewhere , otherwise, it's nothing but a bunch of old cars index racing. The Victory series is as much show as it is racing and UNIQUE !
|
|
raven
Junior Member
Posts: 14
|
Post by raven on Apr 2, 2021 0:54:05 GMT
Well, we are certainly going to try. We (directors) screwed up on the rules/who can race with us last year, but we also learned from that. That is always a neat race as you have a chance to race 3 times, certainly 2 times, and it makes it worth the trip. Looking forward to seeing the gang again, and that is about 5 weeks away, eh? Good to hear the admission of a screw up. I'm not sure of the issue but my question would be was apologies made? We are all human and mess up but it's how those mistake are rectified are the measure of a man.
|
|
|
Post by dennisdart on Apr 2, 2021 13:30:17 GMT
Nostalgia Super Stock was Originally set up to showcase the "Forgotten "Full size Big Block ( MUSCLE CARS ) cars from '59 to '67 , That's right '67 , that is not a typo. Any weekend bracket race saw pony cars , but the bigger cars were gone. The multiple carb rule was added to make the class stand out and be more unique . Some organizations Added '68 Hemi Darts and Barracuda's along with AMX's as these were Factory produced cars designed for Super Stock. ( SouthEast Gassers NSS class still has a '67 cut-off ) . Again, some organizations then allowed Wedge powered Darts and Barracuda's in because the bodies were the same. NSCA indexes stopped at 9.50. 9.50 was F/X , 9.75 was AA/NSS. '68 Hemi Darts and Barracuda's were required to run 9.75 or 9.50 indexes only. The 9.50 index allowed Altered wheel base, injected cars , hence, F/X. The vast majority of the founding members of Victory NSS came from NSCA and also ran in the Muscle Car Reunion Series with the same rules, so that's where the rules started except the altered wheel base / injected cars were written out of the rules as it was NSS only. So here we are today, an F/X class attempting to be added , and we thought, this would be a good time to expand on the 9.00 to 9.50 indexes by allowing a little more flexibility as there are only a few members cars that occasionally run the 9.50 index and essentially create a place for M/P cars ( which were also an offshoot of Super Stock while keeping NSS intact ie: Full size , Big Block, Multiple Carbs ) . Doing it as part of the F/X Exhibition roll -out to see the interest and then Vote on at the end of the year . The Cast Tunnel Ram for 9.50 to 9.00 cars was thought to be implemented due to the complaints of "No good manifolds Available to go faster ", well here you go, but, now run the number. Same thing with the Edelbrock /Carter vs. Holley discussion. Also open for Competition for the cars that would fall into the F/X category a place to race but, slow the cars down to 9.00- 9.50 as the F/X cars will be running in the 8's , and we don't need 8 second cars running down a 13 second car, that can get really ugly. I'm Absolutely positive that there are a few individuals who will take issue no matter what . If the rules are so bad, why did they join to begin with ? I received a few phone calls from members , and everyone of them thought this was a great idea and the proper way to do it once their questions were answered. There has to be a line drawn somewhere , otherwise, it's nothing but a bunch of old cars index racing. The Victory series is as much show as it is racing and UNIQUE ! Nice history. The fans that we put on this show for (and pay the bills for the track owners) do not have a clue what you are speaking of. They are paying to see a bunch of old cars. The line drawn is 1969. In the 80's when you went to a race track, there really were a lot of pony cars racing back then. Not now. The uniqueness is the "factory Super Stock" look that we represent...loosely of course without lettering on some of the cars. This is a good move forward with the F/X and I'm anxious to see these cars included. I hope the future includes more improvements and I hope the future includes the membership in making these major decisions as it always has been before.
|
|